Someday you will be out of work. I will also do your neighbor, so will your best friend, and your whole family will do so. All our works will be automated, thanks to AI. This is the prediction of Shaw Walters (who in Web3 style usually only goes through “Shaw”), founder of Eliza Labs and creator of Elizaos.
“We are going to automate all works. As, all works will be automated,” says Shaw. “There will be no job. And there should be no, because any work that a robot can get it is below me. And I think we will look back at this time as we look back in slavery. As, ‘what the hell we were doing?”
On stage at the AI summit in consensus 2025, Shaw will unpack this theory in a key note entitled: “How AI agents and humanoid robots will remodel society … and why cryptography is the key.” Here gives a quick advance.
The interview has been condensed and slightly edited for clarity.
What is the most excited about AI agents?
Personally, this is a kind of selfish search. I don’t like to sit on my desk all day with rounded shoulders, becoming this troll that is encoding all day.
What I want to do is accelerate and tell my agents to do things and encode for me. The coding has reached the point where I have another window up, and I am only encoding with Gemini in the cursor. I just start talking and saying: “Hey, this is what I want. I want you to change this, this and this,” and start going.
And why can’t you embody that? Why can’t I walk down the street talking to my agent and are writing my code? Why do I have to be sitting here attached to this desk? So I really want to unpack the user interface personally for me and have my agent with me wherever I go. I can call it if I have an idea. Respond to my email.
What do you think will be the first case of murderer use of agents that really becomes the main current?
Well, definitely encodes. It is already the first case.
Fair. But what about the rules, for non -encoders?
Good for us [at Eliza]They are social agents. And then I execute a remote equipment and a DAO community, right? We have 20 people who come to work every day and develop code. I have a group talk at this time of eight people. And we have 20 channels in discord and we have a telegram. So we have all this communication in all these places, and we have these very obvious problems that everyone else has. I don’t know what is happening in most chats. I don’t have time to read most.
I would love to be summarized for me. They should be like, “Hey, what has this guy been working at this time?” And it’s like, “Oh, worked on this. He replied this.” Excellent. So we have a bot that is doing only that thing. It is recorded with each employee every day and obtains a [status update] of them. And is tracking each chat and all our digital spaces and summarizes everything.
Why, in your mind, is it cryptographic for this greatest vision of your agents? Why is web3 necessary?
I think it is very obvious that it is difficult for me to give an agent a PayPal account. But I can turn a wallet for this agent and that agent. I could build a game in which I like it, “I need 10,000 wallets.” Because what I am really doing is to give an agent the ability to demonstrate that it is in itself with a cryptographic signature tool, just as I am giving to any other user. Then, the agents are only proxies for other users and get the same benefits that any other user has.
But I think there is a more important question here, why crypto? And I think the reason is because I think we should be able to create our own money. It is not a power that we must necessarily give to states, although states have the ability to apply it strongly. So, there is a more important question, what is the war we are fighting here?
This is something I will share in my consensus conversation. We are going to automate all works. As, all works will be automated. There will be no job. And there I shouldn’t Be it, because any work that can do a robot is under me. And I think we will look back this time as if we look back in slavery. As, “what the hell were we doing?”
We were making everyone work for dollars with all their time. That is crazy for me. They should have been chasing their passions. They should have been asking: “Why are we here and what are we doing?” They should have been forming their own base of spirituality instead of simply going to work every day. And so, in that reality, well, there is a big problem.
I can think of some …
If there are no jobs, then we have no money. But in reality none of the rich people in our country have work. How do they earn money? They are investing. And I think this is the world in which we have to live, where we are all investors, and nobody is a worker. It is crazy for me that we live in a world where all rich people do not work and, nevertheless, we believe that this is the way to enrich themselves.
I am trying to visualize this. It is wild imagining a world where nobody has work, and all work is under us.
It is inevitable.
Are we writing poetry all day? How are we filling our time? How do you see humanity?
Well, let’s say that he somehow received an Airdrop that put in a project, and now has a value of value of $ 80 million. What would you do? What is your next movement?
I see where you go with this. So, the idea is that you think about what your passions are and how you would spend your time if you had unlimited money. And that is what you would be doing in this world where all works are automated.
Yes. I would be on my computer working in AGI. I would be working on that all day.
Let’s go there now. What is your assumption when we reach AGI, or Yeah We arrive at AGI?
What is AGI?
[Both laugh.]
So, AGI for you implies sensitivity?
Well, my favorite coined term was that Agi is what computers cannot do. How about that?
It’s a bit of Zeno’s paradox, right? It will always be out of reach.
Yes, we have normalized the fact that, as, I can talk to Chatgpt in my phone on my phone and get instant responses to almost anything. As, we are sitting here taking into account the tarot readings and we respond to how “magic works: the meeting”.
Wild times! Thanks Shaw, this was fun. See you in Toronto. I can’t wait for your talk.
Jeff Wilser will be the host of the AI summit in Consensus 2025, and is the presenter of the AI of the People: the decentralized podcast of AI.
